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17.06.2019, 07:53   #551
 
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Just as the Rose Ceremony is about to start, Luke S whisks Hannah away, leaving the men (who have already been waiting for HOURS) to wait further. Though this is just speculation on my part, I STRONGLY suspect its a producer who asks, What do you guys think theyre talking about?

First, we have a clear shot of all the guys, so itd be easy to show it coming out of someones mouthyet its not shown. Also, the question itself is incredibly producer-y. (I can still hear producers questions to us as a group, à la: Who do you thinks getting the Group Date rose? Who do you thinks going home tonight? Arent you guys worried about going home tonight? I remember at one Rose Ceremony, a producer became ANGRY with us for not seeming worried enough about going home.)
The alternative to my above suspicion is that a producer told the guys to start talking about what was being talked about, forcing one of the men to say, What do you guys think theyre talking about? But either way, theres a 0% chance the guys just began talking about this for the hell of it. They all know what Luke S is up to. They dont need or care to talk about itits production that wants it narrated.
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17.06.2019, 18:15   #552
 
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SCOTLAND

As Hannah meets her men in Scotland, she once again, in her wonderful Hannah way, subtly breaks that 4th wall

This is not dissimilar to her breaking character during B-rolls or asking Luke P (on Night One), Do you know where were going? Theres this impression of the lead knowing all, of being the one in the drivers seat. But here, she shows she didnt know that the guys didnt know she was coming. Shes subtly revealing how in the dark she, too, is. She may have graduated but shes still a pawn.
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17.06.2019, 18:34   #553
 
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MIKES 1-ON-1

As Hannah whisks Mike away for his date, we see the guys discussing something that I remember well and that drove me CRAZY

I may have mentioned this before, but when Amy Kaufman interviewed me for her book, I read her some excerpts from my journal entries on the show. There were PAGES dedicated to my irritation with actor-y types who transformed based on whether or not our Bachelor was in the room. It may sound only mildly annoying in real life, but trust me, in that bubble and when its someone youre living with and with whom you may already be an incompatible housemate, trust me its bad.
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17.06.2019, 18:51   #554
 
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In the evening, Mike asks Hannah about her past with relationships and what brought her there. First, YAY MIKE for asking a legitimate question. Yes, it may be broad, but its way better than a lot of them. (Most of the time, the mission on a 1-on-1 is to reveal something, less so to inquire about something.) I had to capture Hannahs response as it struck me as SO honest, almost brutally so

Its one thing to say that relationships havent worked out in the past, or even to admit you have a history of going for the wrong type. But it is another thing entirely to admit the above, that you have a pattern of changing who you are for men. And for what its worth, I think a lot of young women do this, so I loved hearing Hannah admit to this on national television. The younger audiences watching might hear it and even take the opportunity to reflect.
I dont use the term role model lightly; in fact, Ive traditionally hated it used to refer to contestants on this show. When I myself got a lot of feedback that I was seen as a role model, it made me a bit uncomfortable. I had so little say in my actions that made air, in my edit, in even the order of my words that left my mouth. How was what was seen of me meant to really reflect me, let alone reflect me as a potential role model?
But with Hannah, shes admitting to flaws and unflattering truths, in the context of having overcome them. Its one thing to be told or demonstrated how to behave, but its another to hear someone recount their own flawed journey from a dark place to one of self-acceptance and self-love. All Im saying is, there are far worse role models out there, especially in reality TV.
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17.06.2019, 19:01   #555
 
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GROUP DATE

The guys participate in what the Scottish battle reenactor and host calls The First Bachelorette Highland Games. (How quickly we forget.) I got a good laugh out of Hannah being the only one to successfully land her axe. Also note Peters fantastic, truly shocked reaction

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17.06.2019, 19:06   #556
 
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Back at their castle, Mike and Luke P are having a conversation. And in case any proof was needed that this is a forced, required, and undesired Man Chat, just watch how quickly the men spring up and cease chatting the second theyre obviously been told they can

Also note Mikes hilarious little Im done with you sniff.
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17.06.2019, 19:14   #557
 
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In the evening, Hannah has a particularly hot makeout sesh with Jed, but what I found funny was the build up to it. As Hannah attempts to straddle him, he ever-so-politely asks

I also got a giggle out of his hands as he half attempts to support her, half feels her up.
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17.06.2019, 19:31   #558
 
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It was GREAT to catch some genuine camaraderie among the men, when Kevin revealed he had spied on Jeds aforementioned makeout sesh

Whats interesting to note here is how easy it would have been to have shown this in a completely different light. Just imagine Kevin watching Jed and Hannah from the staircase, but with creepy or villainous music in the background. And imagine that without our being shown the above clip. (Lets be honest, airing the above was a conscious choice on productions part; it doesnt advance any storyline.) It would completely change the tone of Kevins storylinecurrently that of a easygoing non-frontrunner (who evidently gets along with the men)to that of a jealous non-frontrunner.
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17.06.2019, 19:45   #559
 
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LUKES 1-ON-1

Wow, what a date this was. I was so overwhelmed with choosing what to discuss, I kept sweeping this section under the rug while assembling the rest of this recap.

There was nothing fluff about this date, and it was at times challenging to discuss this on PeopleNow and to read the general Twitter responses to this episode because there are so many things I saw differently than the majority. A good example is people scoffing at Hannah exclaiming, I just want to know if you like mac & cheese or spaghetti better! In the bubble, with the constant all roads point to marriage reminders of simply hanging out with a person you hardly knowplus the constant prompting and pressuring to reveal things you would normally only reveal months, if not years, into a relationshipits easy to bypass the seemingly silly, inconsequential shit. I think Ive touched on this somewhere before, but one of the reasons I loved my own first 1-on-1 so much was that we DID THINGS. This sounds stupid, I know. But theres a big difference between walking through a bustling market in a foreign country together, versus laying on a catamaran together. A huge way of getting to know someone is just doing stuff together, because through the doing of stuff, you learn about each other: Do you like spicy food or not? Whats your favorite color? Yes, do you like mac and cheese or spaghetti better? Weve seen contestants in the past go into their 1-on-1 times with notebooks of questions (Kendall and Lauren B from Aries season come to mind here). It just irks me to see people who havent been there scoff at something like this as dumb; trust me, if you were there, youd want to know, too.
Another example is how many people really think Hannah still sees Luke as a potential future husband. In general, it was frustrating to hear and read how many people still automatically eat what theyre fed when it comes to this show. Just because a lead says in an ITM that she can sometimes see a guy as her husband does NOT mean she can actually see him as her husband. Given the premise of this show, and that aforementioned all roads point to marriage blanket draped over everything, OF COURSE Hannah will articulate her issues with Luke in the context of his potential as her future husband, just as leads make out with a dozen contestants despite knowing early on who their final two or three finalists will be.
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18.06.2019, 22:46   #560
 
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Perhaps it wasnt this way in the beginning, but at this point Hannah has chemistry that easily rivals (or surpasses) that with Luke, with at least two, if not three other men there. She gets along with those men swimmingly and never has to baby them, make excuses for them, berate them. In real life, and without a dozen other men on her roster, suremaybe Hannah would have a hard time letting go the potential she sees in Luke. But their relationship is based on their physical connection and chemistry (its not like their moments together have featured scintillating conversation), yet we havent seen them kiss since EPISODE 2. Layer on the fact that she has other obviously far better, more compatible, more suitable, and more popular options... HELL NO, she does not see a future with Luke anymore. (I personally think that that began to wane the second she began having to mother him.) There are many examples of this, but heres one that stuck out to me

Now, do I think Hannah wants to have SEX with Luke? Abso-fucking-lutely. But thats a different conversation. I dated a guy once who drove me as nuts as Luke drives Hannah. So much of what he said and his opinions on things made me crazy (just as Im sure I did him), yet our chemistry was through the roof. It was a short relationship but still lasted far longer than it should have because of it. But never at any point, and from early on, did I think, Hmm, but maybe I could maybe marry this man. HELL NO. We could hardly get through a day without a fight!
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18.06.2019, 23:21   #561
 
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I actually think its a bit insulting to Hannah to think she still sees husband potential with Luke. She has proven time and again that she is smarter than that. Its such a basic, black and white, believing-what-youre-told explanation for whats happening here.

There were so many things I wanted to capture with this date. The following exchange was too long for a .GIF but I had to include it as it so clearly highlights the disconnect between Luke and Hannah. Its fascinating how much of what Luke says is contributing to some greater goal (the goal always being him coming off well) rather than a simple answer to a simple question. Case in point, as Hannah realizes that what shes missing from Luke is a basic expression of his emotions and feelingsgood or badrather than making it about whos to blame, she asks him for just that. But Luke cannot compute the simplicity of this, repeatedly making it about what happened rather than how what happened makes him feel. His lack of ability (or refusal) to differentiate the two is downright fascinating. Note how in the end, it twists into a stock Right Reasons response

Hannah: I dont want to know what happened, I want to know, like, how it affects you. Like, your heart, and me. Does that make sense?
Luke (as though hes being patronized): Yes.
Hannah: Like, how does it make you feel? How is all this, with our relationship, with you as a person
Luke: Ive just been continuing to be myself and be very respectful of everybody else. Even throughout being disrespected throughout conversations. So how does it make me feel
Hannah (nodding encouragingly): Feelings.
Luke: Yeah, I thinkI now dont think, I know that its not right. A lot of how theyre treating me is totally not right. But its not affecting me. Because I know Im here for you and Im not ever going to lose sight of that.

Hannah abruptly leaves to consult with her producers. The show seems so willing to show producers now
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18.06.2019, 23:32   #562
 
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that I feel my Producer Watch tradition may end up going way of the dodo. (I am alright with this! Bring on the producers!) Its during this chat that we get a taste for how useless (and arguably terrible) the advice they provide can be

Like, really? Is time the issue here??
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19.06.2019, 00:06   #563
 
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In the same conversation, we also get a taste of how utterly alone being a lead must feel at times. As a contestant, you at least have one another. (Knowing who to trust is a different story, but you technically have peers in the same boat as you.) Her producers dont really give her anything here, no advice, no suggestions. In the following clip, to me, we see the huge difference between a producer and a friend. A friend would call it like it is and say, This is going nowhere. A producer says (of course, knowing Luke is walking drama in the house), Talk to him more. It just takes time. Theres no way this type of feedback doesnt have an impact on how she perceives and commits to each relationship, especially since she has no one else to talk to. Theres a moment here where you can see Hannah realize how alone she is. Watch her after the producers basically tell her shes on her own
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19.06.2019, 00:15   #564
 
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In the evening, and having had the getting ready interim to reflect, Hannah perfectly describes Lukes issue:
Theres a great man inside but theres these walls that have been put up that, like, I cant break through because youre trying to protect what you want people to see. Instead of just saying It wasnt my intention, Im a great guy, like, people love me. That is a façade that you put up and I dont want that. I want a real man and an incredible man but that person has flaws and can own up to them.

Theres an entertaining correlation between what Lukes saying and his eyebrows activity. The more whatever hes saying is bullshit, the more his eyebrows reflect that. Like, here, things start out promisingly, like hes almost able to reflect on what Hannahs saying and possibly even agree with her. Yet the second he starts playing victim, the eyebrows come ALIVE
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19.06.2019, 02:36   #565
 
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I may be in the minority here but I felt myself starting to feel a bit bad for Luke during the evening conversation. I say that because I really got the sense that he was trying to communicate with Hannah; hes just on a different planet (whatever planet narcissists inhabit), speaking a different language. I did feel some genuine, earthly effort, though, when he actually asked Hannah a question about her contestant experience. Note how he holds his gaze after the questions left his mouth; this split second is the real Luke

I mean, sure, it was a question that did in a roundabout way pertain to him and his experience, but this moment and the effort he made still felt like an improvement for him.
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19.06.2019, 02:43   #566
 
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Finally, as Hannah jokingly goes to strangle him, something about the way his smile fades is heartwrenching

What was so great about Hannah holding out for Luke throughout this episode was that, in a crazy way, it actually made me want to see him figure it out. Of course, Im not holding my breath, but it still makes me want to root for him. Instead of simply aching for her to send him home (as I was a week ago), I almost want her to keep him so he can find himself there. Its not even about their relationship anymore. And to cause that change of heart in me is pretty damn impressive on Hannahs part.
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19.06.2019, 03:02   #567
 
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"Don't Believe Chris Harrison For One Second": Sharleen Joynt on The Bachelorette Episode Six

I dont get recap episodes. I never havebut especially in the case of last nights episode of The Bachelorette. First, five episodes is hardly so many hours of television to have lost track of things and need a refresher.
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19.06.2019, 03:39   #568
 
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At one point last night, we were being recapped an excerpt that was literally shown ONE HOUR prior.

This was obviously cheap filler and resembled the type of fare we normally only get on Bachelor in Paradise. Second, you cant recap without having a different angle. Either give us plenty of deleted scenes or never-before-seen footage (and not as an afterthought, as it was shown last night), or give us new intel or perspectives on existing content.
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19.06.2019, 03:42   #569
 
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Hearing Hannah re-express the exact same feelings and thought processes about the exact same scenes wed already seen involving Scott, Cam and Luke was patronizing, to say the least. Give us somethinganythingnew! If it werent for my own recaps, let me tell you, I would have switched over to Shark Tank for the second half or so of last nights episode and Marcus The Zit would have been the only remotely entertaining thing Id have missed.
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19.06.2019, 03:46   #570
 
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As for last nights events, Im mixed. Ive been a loud and proud Hannah supporter all season, however, her approach last night missed the mark for me. I have no problem with her confronting the men in terms of wanting to set the record straight on what Luke said about whom, but her frustration and eventual anger with them felt misplaced.
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19.06.2019, 03:48   #571
 
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And dont believe Chris Harrison for one second: There is this much drama EVERY season. (Its one of the reasons we keep watching, after all.)
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19.06.2019, 03:50   #572
 
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The guys irritation with Luke may be a different flavour, but it is no more intense than the irritation with Chad on Jojos season, Krystal on Aries season, Lee on Rachels season, Kelsey on Chris season, Courtney on Ben Flajniks season. Therefore, for Hannah to get as up in arms as she did about something that is a naturaland from a production standpoint, strategicaspect to this show is wasted energy on her part. Friction in the house is the goal, dating way back to the casting process, and its as engrained a part of this show as helicopter rides and Rose Ceremonies.
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19.06.2019, 03:56   #573
 
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Further, lets not forget that Hannah herself was the first on her season to talk badly about another womanCaelynnon Coltons season. Im not condemning her for it, as many contestants talk about each other, but its a bit hypocritical to reprimand the guys for involving themselves in house drama when she was involved with her own when she was in their position.

To her credit, on Coltons season, she learned her lesson very quickly and was never again heard speaking ill of another woman, but I still think there should be a bit of sensitivity to how producer egging can cause more irritation and obsession than normal.
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19.06.2019, 03:57   #574
 
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Hannah of all people should recognize the influence of production in the guys desire to warn her about Luke.
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19.06.2019, 04:34   #575
 
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None of this is even taking into consideration the fact that these guys LIVE together. I know theyre all there for her, but the reality is theyre spending way more time with each otherand certainly Lukethan with her. It affects the men and their experience there far more than it does Hannah for her to keep him even only an extra week or two. And just as its natural that theyre not all going to get along in a situation designed for friction, its natural that theyd feel they know Luke better (or at the very least, differently) than she does. Other leads, feeling in the dark about who their contestants really are, have often welcomed dirt about them, just so they feel that have a fuller picture of who theyre dealing with. But Hannahs anger at the guys concerns with Luke felt, to me, increasingly like defensiveness.

I understand she felt like her ability to judge her relationships was in question, but the guys issue with Luke wasnt really about her at all. It was about Lukes history with dishonesty, his tendency to lie to peoples faces. You can be there for your relationship with her and still dislike someone youre forced to live with.
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