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Старый 31.07.2017, 10:31   #876
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Никто никого не прессует, просто Рэйчел пришла на шоу с этой целью, объяснила, что встречаться без предложения она могла бы и в жизни, но вот пожертвовала многим и пришла на шоу, чтобы посмотреть найдет ли она на нем такого, кто сделает ей это предложение. Потому что Холостячек без proposal в финале еще не было. И если предыдущие Холостячки находили на шоу женихов, то почему бы не попробовать тоже его там найти?
почему это настолько принципиальный вопрос, если по её же собственному объяснению Питеру предложение ни к чему не обязывает и по сути является формальностью?
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Старый 31.07.2017, 11:02   #877
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Человек, который нравится больше всего никогда не получает 1 ИС в первой половине шоу, потому что до него должны раскрыться те, кто уйдет раньше, чтобы потом, во 2-й половине шоу, уже сосредотачиваться на основных фаворитах, об этом тоже заботятся продюсеры.
Это не так. В 20м Холостяке Ванесса получила 1на1 на 3й неделе (т.е. со 2й попытки), и в 19м Уитни получила 1на1 на той же неделе.

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Поправочка. Ванесса была очевидно в 21м, в 20м была Лорен Б, которая тоже получила первое 1на1 со второй попытки.
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Старый 31.07.2017, 11:04   #878
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В интервью Рэчел сказала, что произойдет то, что никогда раньше не происходило в шоу.
они не будут с Питером проводить вместе ночь?
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Уровень энергетики и уровень целенаправленности и намерений для меня у него низковат. Я люблю людей с очень четкими намерениями, которые хорошо читаются.
мне кажется если абстрагироваться от ситуации с помолвкой, то у Питера достаточный уровень целенаправленности и намерений. У него однозначно strong opinions, и он не боится их высказывать, не боится выглядеть глупо. Это сила характера. К примеру он не боится выражать своё мнение о спорных (с его точки зрения) участниках или ситуациях, как и Дин. А сделал ли это хоть раз Брайан?
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Старый 31.07.2017, 21:48   #880
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Episode 9

"I'm, like, really low-key annoyed." —Rachel (and I am totally stealing this line)

The boys remain in Dallas to be informed that they'll be meeting Rachel's parents there. Two things stuck out to me about this: First, this means that, post-Hometown,*Dean was flown to Dallas for the Rose Ceremony only to twiddle his thumbs, get eliminated,*and immediately flown home. Second, there's a delightful breaking of the 4th wall...

Not only does Rachel reference what is "normal" in this situation (that "normally", "just" two of her "boyfriends" would be meeting her family), she also reveals that the contestants are usually separated from Hometowns onwards. This is something we've discussed here before, but I don't think it's ever been openly admitted on the actual show.
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Старый 31.07.2017, 22:00   #881
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PETER MEETS THE FAM

One of the joys of forcing the men to re-co-exist is the resulting forced Man Chats. I thought the following was interesting, as it really seems like Bryan*did not hear this tidbit firsthand...

You would think if Peter told Bryan this gossip-worthy nugget in a Man Chat—something I have difficulty imagining as it's clear they don't care for each other—they would certainly have aired it... which begs the question, who told Bryan this? Also, this exchange (not to mention Eric's strong reaction) certainly serve as foreshadowing for Peter's major plot point throughout the episode (and presumably for the rest of the season).
And now, listen to a bit of the above clip.
I figure he probably said something more or less along the same lines, but that sentence has definitely been sliced and diced.
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Старый 31.07.2017, 22:08   #882
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While the men are prodded to talk about Peter, it turns out Peter is INSANELY GOOD at meeting girlfriends' families...

I mean, Peter is clearly presentable, grounded, and well-spoken, so most families would probably be impressed, but this is artful. Rachel's a realist and a self-proclaimed skeptic, so it's obvious her family would be that way as well. Can you imagine a smarter thing to say to Rachel's (obviously shrewd) mother, given how her daughter is? I'm not saying this is strategic on Peter's part—I personally believe he's 100% sincere as he says this—it's just a great audience for him.
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Старый 31.07.2017, 22:15   #883
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ERIC MEETS THE FAM

It's Eric's turn in this meet-the-Lindsays game of musical chairs, and once again, forcing the men to continue to live together is the gift that keeps on giving...

Eric impressed me on this "date". He remained himself and totally honest, despite the fact that some details of his upbringing and relationship history might not be flattering. As I said on The Morning After, this worked out as I feel like Rachel's family are the sort of people who recognize and appreciate that honesty, rather than getting hung up on the information that honesty provides and holding it against him (which A LOT of people would do).
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Старый 31.07.2017, 22:18   #884
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BRYAN MEETS THE FAM

Heading into Bryan's turn in the musical chair, we're shown plenty of close-ups of Bryan's fancy watch. I LOVED Eric's lack of judgment towards Bryan regarding the watch, but how he rather focused on what Rachel having worn hers means (SO many people would just hate on Bryan in this situation). Eric is dead on...
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Старый 31.07.2017, 22:29   #885
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Even without the previews suggesting Bryan's meet-the-Lindsays "date" doesn't go well, we could have predicted as much when we were shown Bryan sounding the teensiest bit too confident about it...

I think the above was chopped up, but it doesn't really matter as the point is that Bryan's confidence is being shown as climbing sky high, only to be brought down. If there's one thing we know, it's that a mini-arc of confidence and subsequent rug-being-pulled-out-from-underneath is a reality TV favorite.
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Старый 31.07.2017, 22:31   #886
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I really enjoyed their time with Rachel's girlfriends and it definitely speaks volumes that Bryan's the only one who got to meet them. I also laughed when Rachel confessed to thinking Bryan might've been a douchebag, but I personally find it suspect that we weren't shown those words coming out of her mouth...
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And now for this episode's tour de force in fishy editing. We were shown preview after preview of Bryan excusing himself from the table in an uncomfortable-seeming moment. Obviously the scene we ultimately saw was hardly as tense, but even this tension felt super forced to me...

First, Rachel's uncle Jeff's question (nor the pleasant way in which he asked it) was not remotely weird, so Rachel's frown combined with Bryan's stumbling makes me wonder if their responses were taken from a different moment. Either that or if her uncle's question was question #1,080,367 and they were just over being asked questions like this.
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Second, for someone as smooth and effusive as Bryan, I hardly think he'd have a hard time coming up with a few words to describe what Rachel brings out in him. (In other words, this is hardly advanced calculus.) Third, Bryan SO CLEARLY did not excuse himself from the table at this moment. And Rachel's tweet Monday night proves it:

I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but in filmed group conversations, oftentimes producers will ask you to take a moment to say something that concludes the scene or leads into the next moment. For example, at the end of a Girl Chat, you could be prompted to say something vaguely conclusive, like, "Well, I guess only time will tell", or the pre-1-on-1 favorite, "Alright, I'd better go get ready for my date". That moment where Bryan looks up and sort of goes, "Uh, ok" before excusing himself really feels that way to me. My suspicion is Bryan was prompted to excuse himself (without mentioning her father, since obviously her father "was not able to be there") and then that clip was copied and pasted in another moment to make him seem stressed out.
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ERIC'S SPAIN 1-ON-1

Eric gets the first 1-on-1 in Rioja, and I just had to capture the moment where Rachel says to put the champagne flutes down and Eric squeezes in that last, quick swig...

We've all been there.
This was the date where I felt Eric's roll slowed. Before I felt like he was very specific in how he felt about Rachel, describing how she made him feel, and what she brought out in him, almost as though he was coming to terms with those feelings himself. But the words exchanged on this date felt just like that: words. I mentioned this on The Morning After but I want to reiterate:
Rachel: "I'm really curious, like, what did you learn about me, if anything? Did my Hometowns give you better insight into me? And if so, how?"
Eric: "Yeah, um. I learned that you're strong. You're independent. You don't really need much... but you need everything."
Rachel: (laughs) "Oooh, I sound like a complicated person!"
Eric: (laughs) "But, um, Rachel does her own thing."
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So, I don't disagree with any of the above. I do think Rachel is strong and independent. But to me those adjectives in this context feel like stock answers and don't feel in response to her question. Next, the way Eric professed his love felt like some of the same...

Don't get me wrong: This is very sweet and I believe he believes he loves her. But the words just don't feel specific to her or them as a couple, and in my opinion end up feeling a bit like stock statements, an X, Y, and Z of what one says when they're "in love". As Andy said after Eric said the above: "And in conclusion, I am in love with you." Again, I believe Eric here. It's just that I think the bubble moved faster than his ability to articulate WHY he's officially in love with her.
Oh, also: The lack of thrill in Rachel as she receives this profession of love is a DEAD GIVEAWAY that she's not picking him.
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PETER'S RIOJA 1-ON-1

Rachel takes Peter on a cool winery date and we get a glimpse of Peter's rarely shown goofy side...
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I spent most of my Flare recap discussing the engagement/marriage debacle so I'll refrain from repeating myself here, but what stood out to me that I had to capture as a .GIF was THIS BODY LANGUAGE...

She has TEARS IN HER EYES and is clearly very upset and speechless, yet he seems completely unfazed. I totally believe that Peter really, really likes Rachel, and he certainly tells her as much (he confessed to falling in love with her before they headed into his meet-and-greet with her family), but you guys know I'm a big proponent of showing, not telling. In this moment, I don't feel Peter is showing Rachel he's falling in love with her. Of course, I'm the first person to point out that this is just one moment of many, and perhaps it's just an unflattering one. But I still feel like he should be cradling her face and wiping away her tears, not sitting back and watching her be sad.
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Из Men Tell All основной вывод что Ли всё-таки не расист. На это сильно намекалось посредством монтажа в ходе шоу, и благодаря реплике Дина, но непосредственно в его поведении я этого не видел. То что на Men Tell All целый ряд участников (включая Кэнни) подтвердили что не воспринимали его поведение на шоу как расистское - достаточно важный аргумент в этом вопросе.

Второе. Очень жаль что у Энтони не сложилось с Рэйчел. Возможно он в данный момент не совсем готов к отношениям, которые могут привести к женитьбе в обозримом будущем, но в плане личных качеств очень понравился.
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Sharleen Joynt on The Bachelorette: Men Tell All

I’ve just wrapped Huffington Post’s Here To Make Friends podcast with Claire Fallon and Emma Gray, where we delved pretty deeply into this very eventful Men Tell All episode. You know by now I love Tell Alls. It’s a treat to observe if and how people have changed their appearance and whether they’re just dressed up or clearly looking to stand out. After seeing each other’s ITMs, it’s interesting to hear how views on one another might be different than while they lived together. After watching it all back and witnessing others’ connections with the same girl, which men still demand answers of Rachel and wonder what they could’ve done differently, and which ones just chalk the whole thing up to a unique experience?
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In keeping with my FLARE tradition of singling out last night’s most memorable moments…

3. Daddy-Daughter Time

I’ve been a huge Kenny fan all season, so I naturally enjoyed how much time he was given to not only speak his mind regarding Lee, but also to show his sensitive side. And I really enjoy watching all the sides of Kenny, from a wronged man with an understandable bone to pick—and an intimidating figure at that—to a total softie who sheds a few tears when his daughter appears.

The Disneyland vacay was a nice touch on ABC’s part, but what I like best is how obviously adored Mackenzie is by her doting father, and how that already has affected—and in the long-term, will affect—her sense of self and self-worth. Watching them together was beautiful and sweet.
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2. Long Live The Queen

Claire and Emma and I all agreed that we can’t recall still adoring a lead as much as we do this far into the season. Rachel seriously can do no wrong. She cast DeMario just the right amount of shade, saying “Who?” when Chris Harrison brought DeMario’s name up, effectively giving DeMario a taste of his own medicine from when his ex was brought on the show. She stood by her actions, including telling Dean she was falling in love with him, insisting she’s not one to say something just for the sake of it. Best of all was how curtly and concisely she addressed Lee. It had already been discussed ad nauseam at that point (apparently his hot-seat time took ballpark two hours to film?) and she didn’t allow it to become a back-and-forth discussion. She noted that he was a very different person towards her than he was with the other men and in his ITMs, and after watching it back and knowing the details, she knew better than to engage with him. She pointed out her unique position as someone in the public eye, an African American and a woman, coldly but kindly offering him a lesson on Black history and women’s rights. She was classy, involved yet simultaneously above the drama, and warm to only those who deserved it. If she hasn’t been a role model all season long, I don’t know what lead would be.
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1. Strength In Numbers

The “meat” of the episode was obviously Lee, his behaviour and tweets, and cracking his veneer. What warmed my heart about all this was the banding together of the other men in pointing out inconsistencies and injustices.
It wasn’t just Kenny versus Lee anymore, the way it sometimes seemed during filming. (On that subject though, Dean said it best when he said you can tell who’s in the right based on who’s better liked, and that Kenny was clearly one of the most popular men in the house.) Men who were gone long before the drama with Lee ever developed (DeMario), men who possibly seemed aligned with Lee at times (Iggy), and white men for whom Lee’s views might not strike as deep a chord (Dean, Adam). They all came together, joining Josiah, Anthony, Will*and of course Kenny.
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It became clear early on that Lee’s angle was to not be defensive and to apologize for ambiguities in a rehearsed fashion, rather than take responsibility or admit any real fault. Rightfully, no one accepted his vague, stock responses of “If I hurt anyone for a bad joke, I apologize,” or the particularly insulting “I should have been a better friend.” They insisted he address why he was apologizing and admit to what he was asking forgiveness for.

The golden sentence came from beautifully articulate Anthony: “Are your actions motivated by racist thoughts that are implicitly embedded in your mentality?” When one man was at a loss for words, another stepped in to drive the point home.
The thing with Lee is it took him way too much coaxing to admit the simplest, most obvious mistakes, and for him to think his patronizing “apology” mode would suffice just shows how little he comprehends the seriousness of his words and actions. But, though I don’t believe we witnessed some dramatic transformation in Lee, it was a moment of teamwork and solidarity among the men that I for one appreciated.
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почему это настолько принципиальный вопрос, если по её же собственному объяснению Питеру предложение ни к чему не обязывает и по сути является формальностью?
Почему формальностью? Совсен наоборот! Это объявление всем, что они находятся на определенном этапе отношений.
Когда люди знакомятся, то могут встречаться параллельно с несколькими. Потом, если они решают быть вместе, то пeрeходят к эксклюзивным отношениям и решают, что они бойфренд и геpлфренд, это тоже определенный этап отношений, но не формальный. Потому то сестра Pэчел удивилась, что Браян стал считать Рэчел своей геpлфренд, хотя отношения совсем еще были не эксклюзивными у них, она продолжалa встречаться с другими. В жизни, конечно, практически никто не обручается, переходя на эксклюзивные отношения, как это происходит в шоу. Но шоу это такой эксперемент и тем не менее ни одна Холостячка не закончилась без обручения. Пары были переполнены чувствами и основылали свое обручение не на опыте совместной жизни или долгосрочных совместных отношений, а на чувствах, эмоциях, стремлении быть вместе. Если все предыдущие стадии отношений обговариваются между самими влюбленными, то обручение это уже более формальный момент, когда либо наличеие кольца информирует окружающих, что они обручены либо же, как это принято сейчас, устраиваются пышные празднования обручения. Например, Макс Чмерковский очень пышно праздновал помолвку с Питой со своими друзьями, тем самым объявляя всем, что они вместе, они почти уже семья. Часто пара если не до этого, то после этого уже живет вместе. У Макса с Питой родился ребенок, что тоже нередко в наше время, помолвка, ребенок, потом, если пара решает пожениться - они женятся.
Так вот и для Рэчел это такое событие, которое она хочет отпраздновать со своей семьей и своими друзьями, об этом проговорилась подружка Рэчел из сезона с Ником - Астрид. Неделю назад у нее брали интервью после выпуска шоу и спрашивали, знает ли она кого Рэчел выбрала. Она сказала, что знает, но сказать не может и 45 минут интервью об этом помнила. Но в самом конце ее спросили о планах Рэчел и она сказала, что сразу же после АТFR Рэчел планирует отпраздновать свое обручение сначала в Далласе со своей семьей и друзьями, а потом с семьей и друзьями жениха в Майами. Тут она проговорилась и не заметила, журналистка, бравшая у нее интервью, не знала кто из Майами и почему там, а посему ничего ее не спросила, но всем все было понятно.
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