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Старый 13.06.2017, 22:30   #1201
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Drunken consent is not consent.
всё упирается в то можно ли верить Корин, когда она говорит что вообще не соображала. Когда был оральный секс, продюсерам следовало провести черту, что вот "ребят, вы вообще в своём уме?" Но вот должны ли они были это сделать? Всё-таки пьяные участники на проектах это почти норма, и обнажёнка тоже бывает. И где заканчивается "bad people make good TV" и где начинается красная черта - тот ещё вопрос.
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I'm actually shocked that Corinne and Demario have not made any criminal filings because it appears what happened here is the very definition of sexual coersion. It can be verbal and emotional pressure, giving you alcohol to loosen up, egging on in the form of statements that make you feel pressured, guilt or shame, etc.
криминальные обвинения против кого? Продюсера, которая говорила что было бы неплохо, если бы она замутила с Демарио? Против бармена, который наливал ей то, что она просила? Или против Демарио, который воспользовался её слабостью? Или против каждого из присутствующих, кто их не остановил?

P.S. т.е. тут некому предьявить criminal intent, "the decision to bring about a prohibited consequence."
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Или против Демарио, который воспользовался её слабостью?
тут ещё один вопрос: может против Корин? Потому как далеко не факт кто чьей слабостью воспользовался, учитывая что по истории Демарио это она ему на руки прыгала.
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Старый 13.06.2017, 23:11   #1204
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Просочилась вот такая информация:
‘There was hugging and kissing and touching, but before long, she seemed to go limp and was sliding under water. Demario kept trying to hold her up and at the same time he appeared to be having intercourse with her. After he finished – which only lasted a few seconds – he lifted her out of the water and laid her on the cement, where he proceeded to have oral sex with her.
‘She appeared to be unconscious,’ says the source. ‘At that point some of the crew came out and carried her off to her room. She was limp and seemed unable to walk on her own.'
Не, ну это реальо беспредел!
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всё упирается в то можно ли верить Корин, когда она говорит что вообще не соображала. Когда был оральный секс, продюсерам следовало провести черту, что вот "ребят, вы вообще в своём уме?" Но вот должны ли они были это сделать? Всё-таки пьяные участники на проектах это почти норма, и обнажёнка тоже бывает. И где заканчивается "bad people make good TV" и где начинается красная черта - тот ещё вопрос.
У нас пока нет полной информации и если все происходило так, как в последней информации, то понятно было, что Коринн была в бессознательном состоянии. Но длилось это не долго, похоже, что они практически сразу же поняли, что нaдо это все остановить, как только поняли, что она без сознания.
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криминальные обвинения против кого? Продюсера, которая говорила что было бы неплохо, если бы она замутила с Демарио? Против бармена, который наливал ей то, что она просила? Или против Демарио, который воспользовался её слабостью? Или против каждого из присутствующих, кто их не остановил?

P.S. т.е. тут некому предьявить criminal intent, "the decision to bring about a prohibited consequence."
Ни у кого нет полной информации в данный момет. Все рассуждают гипотетически, представляя в своей голове то, как все это могло происходить.
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‘There was hugging and kissing and touching, but before long, she seemed to go limp and was sliding under water. Demario kept trying to hold her up and at the same time he appeared to be having intercourse with her. After he finished – which only lasted a few seconds – he lifted her out of the water and laid her on the cement, where he proceeded to have oral sex with her.
‘She appeared to be unconscious,’ says the source. ‘At that point some of the crew came out and carried her off to her room. She was limp and seemed unable to walk on her own.'
Не, ну это реальо беспредел!
если так, то почему у неё нет никаких претензий к Демарио?
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Теперь предполагается, что это продюсер, который отвечал за Коринн пожалoвался, защищая ее интересы. Это вполне понятно.
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если так, то почему у неё нет никаких претензий к Демарио?
Видимо потому, что они оба были очень нетрезвы и он действовал на "автопилоте". Не знаю, соображал ли человек, что если она теряла сознание, то ей уже не надо было продолжать доставлять удовольствие. Но мне понравилась в этом свете его версия событий, когда он сказал, что она подставила ему свои генеталии. Ведь он потом видел отснятое, и если он пытался иметь с Коринн секс под водой, то ему удобней сказать, что у него не получилось. Но по логике изложенных событый, у него то как раз получилось и он после этого хотел, чтобы получилось и у нее, но не учел того обстоятельства, что ей уже было не до этого. Блин, какой бардак! все это, конечно, имеет место быть в жизни скока угодно, но тут были свидетели в качестве съемочной группы.
Может у Коринн сложились дружеские отношения с Димарио до того как они оба допились до чертиков, они же провели вместе целый день, наслаждаясь алкогольными напитками.
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EXCLUSIVE - 'She seemed to go limp': Bachelor in Paradise crew member details how Corinne Olympios kept sliding under the water during her drunken pool hook-up with DeMario Jackson that resulted in the show getting suspended.

A Bachelor in Paradise crew member has shed light on the drunken hook-up between Corinne Olympios and DeMario Jackson that got the show suspended.
A Bachelor in Paradise crew member has shed light on the drunken hook-up between Corinne Olympios and DeMario Jackson that got the show suspended.
The crew member told DailyMail.com that Corinne 'seemed to go limp' when she and DeMario started making out in the pool on the first day of shooting.
Corinne kept 'sliding under water' and DeMario tried to 'hold her up and at the same time he appeared to be having intercourse with her'
'After he finished – which only lasted a few seconds – he lifted her out of the water and laid her on the cement, where he proceeded to have oral sex with her'.
DeMario told sources who spoke with TMZ that he was too drunk to have sex.
He allegedly admitted to having oral sex after Corinne put her genitals in his face.
Corinne told friends that she was too drunk to give consent, and doesn't remember the incident at all.

A Bachelor in Paradise crew member says Corinne Olympios seemed to lose control of her body during her drunken pool hook-up with DeMario Jackson.
Filming on the fourth season of The Bachelor spin-off was suspended on Sunday, over allegations of misconduct.
The incident that caused Warner Bros to halt production and launch an investigation centered on a hook-up between cast members Corinne and DeMario on the first day of shooting.
DeMario admitted to performing oral sex on Corinne when she put his genitals in his face, but Corinne says she was blacked out drunk and could not have given consent, according to sources who spoke to TMZ.
Now, a BIP crew member has spoken to DailyMail.com, detailing how Corinne appeared more and more drunk throughout the day.
‘Corinne and Demario found out when they arrived in Mexico that the storyline would involve the two of them hooking up so they decided to hang out and get better acquainted over drinks,’ says the source.
‘Soon they decided to go swimming and when they climbed into the Jacuzzi, they were both loaded. Corinne proceeded to remove her bathing suit and things got increasingly sexual.
‘There was hugging and kissing and touching, but before long, she seemed to go limp and was sliding under water. Demario kept trying to hold her up and at the same time he appeared to be having intercourse with her. After he finished – which only lasted a few seconds – he lifted her out of the water and laid her on the cement, where he proceeded to have oral sex with her.
‘She appeared to be unconscious,’ says the source. ‘At that point some of the crew came out and carried her off to her room. She was limp and seemed unable to walk on her own.'
For the record, DeMario told sources who spoke with TMZ that he did not have penetrative sex with Corinne because of the alcohol he consumed.
Another source told TMZ on Tuesday that Corinne was so wasted hours after the hook up that she could barely stand.
Witnesses said that two hours after the encounter, Corinne was 'stumbling drunk, eyes closed, slurring badly and wearing her clothes inside out'.
'She was on a whole other level,' the source said.
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‘Corinne is preparing to file a law suit because she feels she was not protected by the show’s producers. And she ended up flying home to Miami after she was examined and interviewed,’ says the source. 'She was totally distraught and even after being told what happened, she insisted she had no recollection of the events.
Corinne and DeMario have been in touch since the incident and are allegedly on good terms.
'DeMario was trying to reach Corinne via email, Instagram and Facebook for a few days. Finally, [he] got a hold of her, they exchanged numbers and they've been talking. They are both speaking and on good terms,' a source told EW.
Sources who spoke to Corinne also say she doesn't blame DeMario fully for what happened. She thinks the producers were at fault for letting the incident unfold and has hired a lawyer to represent her going forward.
The crew stayed on until Monday, when they back to Los Angeles. The source says that everyone is under the impression that the show will be cancelled 'because the brand will be too tarnished to move forward'.*
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‘There were also rumors early on that they were going to scrap the show and offer Corinne a show of her own, or try and switch to filming a hurry - up wedding between last year’s contestants, Evan Bass and Carly Waddell who are engaged, but in the end they abandoned both ideas, paid off the crew, and sent them home.
‘This was a terrible thing to happen on a show that has been so successful until now,’ says the source. ‘And you can bet this is far from being over.’
The day after the hook-up, a producer filed an official complaint over what happened on the set and production was shut down.
Warner Bros announced that production had been suspended in a statement on Sunday.
'We have become aware of allegations of misconduct on the set of Bachelor in Paradise in Mexico. We have suspended production and we are conducting a thorough investigation of these allegations,' the statement said.
'Once the investigation is complete, we will take appropriate responsive action,' the statement added.
Bachelor In Paradise was scheduled to premiere August 8 on ABC.
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‘Bachelor In Paradise’ Cast Rallies Around DeMario Amid Sexual Assault Investigation
Insiders claim Corinne is 'out for fame' and was 'warned' about provocative behavior.

DeMario Jackson is being investigated for sexual assault after an incident involving Corinne Olympios forced ABC to cancel Bachelor In Paradise. But show insiders exclusively reveal to RadarOnline.com that the cast and crew are siding with Jackson!
“DeMario has been described as a good guy, producers and execs like him,” a source claimed to Radar. “He knows what he signed up for and has been cooperative with producers. Everyone feels bad for him.”

The insider continued that there have been alleged complaints involving Olympios before the incident.
“She has been involved in multiple sexually provocative incidents sober, drunk and in between,” the source claimed. “She was scolded and reprimanded and warned. Her excuse that she was blackout drunk those involved with the show don’t believe.”
The cast and crew allegedly believe Olympios, who made headlines on Nick Viall‘s season of The Bachelor for her provocative behavior and raunchy one-liners, is “out for fame.”
A cast member exclusively told Radar that the incident is being blown out of proportion.
“We were all there and can’t believe this is even a thing,” the star told Radar. “I just hope the investigation shows the truth behind the ‘incident.’ The cast has a pretty clear opinion about this whole situation.”
The insider added that the cast is “so disappointed” over the show’s reported cancellation.
Olympios’ Bachelor In Paradise co-stars Alexis Waters, Raven Gates, Danielle Maltby and Kristina Schulman are not following her on Instagram.
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Мне надоела вся эта противоречивая информация.
Chris Harrison‏ сказал сегодня, что циркулирует слишком много неправдивой информации и предложил всем дождаться результатов расследовния.
Да, хотелось бы так и сделать, но сложновато...

В ТВ передаче человек сказал, что его источник ему сообщил, что происшествие в бассейне заняло 20 минут и произошло это в первые 1.5 часа первого дня съемок. После чего Коринн уже целовалась с другим, Димарио больше ни с кем не спаривался.
Короче, это что то невороятное, что происходит с разного рода информацией....
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Just one week into production of the fourth season of “Bachelor in Paradise,” it all appears to be over.
The cast, after several days on lockdown, was sent home from the Mexican resort where filming took place. Reports have swirled about an inappropriate sexual encounter between two cast members― an encounter in which at least one person was allegedly too drunk to consent. On Sunday, Warner Bros. issued a statement acknowledging that they “have suspended production” over “allegations of misconduct.
“We are conducting a thorough investigation of these allegations,” the production company said. “Once the investigation is complete, we will take appropriate responsive action.”
Reports differ regarding what actually caused the show to shut down, but most now indicate that two contestants, DeMario Jackson and Corinne Olympios, became extremely drunk during the first day of filming and had an explicit sexual encounter in the pool on site as the cameras rolled. A producer, who believed that the female contestant was too intoxicated to consent, reportedly filed a complaint of misconduct after the incident. Production was suspended, and the cast was eventually sent home after filming just a couple days of the series.
Where did it all go so wrong for a campy dating show that has spawned goofy GIFs galore, an alarmingly high rate of engagements and a still more alarming rate of broken engagements?
With an internal investigation still underway and most news about the situation coming to the public through anonymously sourced TMZ articles, it’s far too soon to diagnose exactly where this aborted season went off the rails. It may be weeks, even months, before the public gets any clarity about what happened in Paradise. Of course, that hasn’t stopped many from jumping onto Twitter or Instagram to confidently speculate about which contestants are to blame, or to make racist, sexist insinuations about them.
Though it’s shocking, in another sense it’s unsurprising that the fun-in-the-sun ethos of “Paradise” has taken such a dark turn. Though this scandal may have been the first to halt production of the show, it’s not the first sign that the crew has been putting juicy plotlines ahead of the well-being, and even the safety, of its cast.
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“Bachelor in Paradise,” like all the “Bachelor” shows, harvests entertainment from the irresistible human drama of gorgeous people competing for each other’s romantic attention. It doesn’t maintain its top spot in the reality dating pantheon by just “letting it happen,” though; the show’s producers notoriously coach contestants to make proclamations or romantic overtures that will actually sink their chances, but might make for more titillating TV. On the current season of “The Bachelorette,” the show brought on two unpleasant young men with a pre-existing rivalry from another, lesser-known reality show to milk their bad blood for ratings.
So far, so whatever ― these days, if you admit that you didn’t realize every confrontation and kiss on the show is likely producer-instigated, you’ll be called naive by members of Bachelor Nation. BUT that doesn’t mean we should be blasé about producers standing by during, and possibly even encouraging, dangerous situations.
The particular setup of “The Bachelor” and “The Bachelorette” typically keeps a lid on overt misconduct. With just one man or woman dating over 20 people, the jealousy between rivals is almost too spread out to explode. The lead’s desirability is too valuable to the franchise for encouraging criminal misbehavior to be a good business decision, and there’s no one else for contestants to get messy with in the corners (except, on one or two notable occasions, the crew themselves).
Nonetheless, the drama can get out of hand if producers allow feuds to escalate or fail to respond to red flags from certain cast members, and recent seasons have raised questions of how the show is protecting itself from liability. On Season 12 of “The Bachelorette,” several of the men became alarmed by Chad Johnson’s belligerent behavior, physical aggression and colorful threats (“I’m gonna cut everyone here’s legs off and arms off and there’s gonna be torsos and I’m going to throw them in the pool,” he exploded at one point), but he remained in the mansion until star JoJo Fletcher eliminated him from the competition ― albeit with the showy addition of an on-camera security guard to oversee peace in the house.
“Bachelor in Paradise,” with its unstructured setting and roughly equal groups of men and women from the show, takes more after “The Bachelor” franchise’s rowdier, gender-balanced cousins ― think MTV’s “Are You The One,” featuring 20-plus men and women living together and dating each other for several weeks. (“AYTO” has seen physical altercations and raunchy sexual encounters more than once.)
“Paradise” is known as the silly, chill member of the “Bachelor” family, but the combustible mix of partner-switching couples and lax oversight seems destined to have blown up sooner or later.
It was Johnson, brought back to the franchise after his unsettling turn on “The Bachelorette,” who exposed flaws in the “Paradise” safety measures last summer. On the first night of the third season, Johnson and fellow contestant Lace Morris became very drunk, flirted heavily and began making out amid the partying. Fairly standard “Paradise” stuff, except that an intoxicated Johnson began manhandling Morris, sparking an escalating physical and verbal altercation in and around the pool. Despite this, both contestants were allowed to stay as their teary, semi-violent fight continued into the night. At one point, Johnson threw an ableist slur at another cast member, Sarah Herron, who was born with only the upper part of one arm.
Not until the next morning, after Johnson’s unpredictable drunken rampage had petered out, was he removed from the situation; even so, his dismissal from the show by Chris Harrison was filmed in front of the entire cast, squeezing a bit more great TV from the situation. The cast, by the time he left, seemed genuinely rattled by how far things had been allowed to go. Sure, they’d signed up to be on a hookup-fueled reality show packed with tears and drama, but they hadn’t signed away their basic human rights, nor did they come with the expectation of being verbally and even physically abused.
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With the night on the verge of a real catastrophe, viewers wondered, why didn’t production step in until it had calmed down? Were they gambling that things would go no further? After years of successfully producing the “Bachelor” shows, were they not even thinking of their liability? Are their contracts ironclad? Were they willing to risk a lawsuit for the sake of the juicy footage?
Meanwhile, contradictory reports on the recent scandal continue to filter through to the media. Reality Steve’s latest update reveals that his sources perceived the encounter as consensual and that Corinne was the instigator, while a Daily Mail interview with an anonymous crew member paints a disturbing picture of producers allowing cameras to roll while a borderline unconscious Corinne was assaulted, then put to bed without any medical care. Which, if any, account is true? It’s unclear. But most reports suggest that producers, as the ostensible adults in the room during a booze-fueled tropical speed dating zone, allowed a situation to escalate to the point that a credible complaint of misconduct could be made against the show.
The contestants, many happily point out, are adults and are not forced to drink or do anything; nonetheless, they’ve signed over a great deal of control in their life to a production team with the understandable expectation that those in charge won’t let anything genuinely dangerous happen to them. After this incident, in combination with past kerfuffles on the show, that expectation appears misguided, but it is a very human one. A production also needs to be prepared to take responsibility for setting up volatile situations and continuing to point cameras at them even after contestants have begun to act harmfully toward themselves or others. Regardless of the severity of what went wrong on set, public sex between drunk cast members arguably falls into that category.
Fans of the show may be understandably disappointed that this season, and very likely any planned future seasons, will never air. (Though the show has not officially been canceled, all contestants were flown home, filming does not seem set to resume and the original premiere date is rapidly approaching, making it extremely likely that a formal cancellation is coming.) But the disappointment can, and should, be an opportunity for the show itself and for the audience to think carefully about how much messy drama we expect from our reality shows, and what risks cast members may assume in order to meet those expectations. In Johnson’s appearances, for example, production didn’t step in even when overt threats were made or he became drunk to the point of being out of control; fortunately, things didn’t go any further, but they easily could have.
This season, the outcome was still worse ― and the questions about whether the “Bachelor” shows do enough to protect their contestants have only grown more difficult to ignore.
For more on the “Bachelor in Paradise” scandal, listen to this week’s episode of “Here to Make Friends,” featuring Reality Steve and former cast member Michael Garofola.
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Старый 15.06.2017, 00:46   #1219
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The complaint that was filed was a 3rd party complaint that relates to exposure to sexual harassment in the work place. Which means they weren't the party to the harassment but it was going on in their workplace and made them uncomfortable and it is actually a very legit complaint to file. It means they don't have to witness it but just have proof that it occurred.
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Старый 15.06.2017, 00:51   #1220
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Reality Steve:
Two separate producers file complaints
neither of whom actually saw what happened during or after the indecent
they now wish they could take it back
but the incident is all on tape
Everyone who has seen the tape or was actually there has said it wasn't a big deal
but WB decided to shut down production for now, even though the producers who filed complaints want to take it back and say it isn't a big deal, the tape shows it wasn't a big deal, and everyone who was present said it wasn't a big deal.
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Старый 15.06.2017, 00:56   #1221
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WOW!!!
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Димарио сегодня заловили где то на пути к его машине, он сказал, что Коринн очень классная и все случившееся заснято, так что ни у кого не будет никаких сомнений в том, что он не сделал ничего не так.
Может поэтому Коринн его не собирается судить?
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Demario released a statement:
"It's unfortunate that my character and family name has been assassinated this past week with false claims and malicious allegations," the 30-year-old said in a statement via his publicist, Eve Sarkisyan-Nunn. "I will be taking swift and appropriate legal action until my name is cleared and, per the advice of legal counsel, will be seeking all available remedies entitled to me under the laws."
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In the days leading up to the suspension of production of "Bachelor in Paradise," most of the cast was left in the dark as to what was going on, even as the atmosphere around them became more chaotic and they were moved from one location to another, a source with knowledge of the situation told CNNMoney on Tuesday.
"Overall everyone is really upset. People put their lives on hold, quit their jobs and are even losing jobs over this," the source said. "No one knows exactly what happened... and there's a lot of confusion and anger because some contestants feel like this is all being blown out of proportion."
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