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Bachelor in Paradise s03e11

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Bachelor in Paradise s03e11 After Paradise

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Sharleen Joynt on Bachelor in Paradise: Episode 10

How am I already discussing Episode 10? Bachelor in Paradise, you’ve flown by, and although I rolled my eyes in disbelief when I first heard we’d need to endure four hours a week of your quality programming, I have to admit that in spite of myself, I’ve eaten you right up. Last night, Chris Harrison was my personal comic relief, with his redundant yet completely straight-faced, serious-toned speeches about asking yourself—but this time really asking yourself—if you could see this relationship lasting past Paradise, in potentially air-conditioned circumstances.

I was thoroughly entertained by his claims that a romantic 1-on-1 date and a Fantasy Suite would somehow suddenly put a relationship “to the test.” (As though there haven’t already been 1-on-1s and “boom boom room” visits aplenty.) How leaving Paradise together somehow automatically means “marriage, kids, the whole thing” is beyond me, but one should nonetheless “continue to talk, continue to have those discussions,” as there is nothing worse than a—duh duh duh!—EMPTY PROMISE. At the very least, it’s good to know Chris Harrison truly, deeply cares about these folks and their feelings…
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Старый 09.09.2016, 07:47   #1054
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Speaking of tears, Izzy had an interesting episode. I think we can all agree Izzy’s remorse over Vinny would be a hell of a lot more believable if it had happened on its own, as though the gravity of what she’d done finally set in or had she realized on her own that she truly missed him. But for her regret to occur directly following Brett’s (incredibly ineloquent) rejection wasn’t very convincing. Nor do I think it was true regret. I must preface that I really love Izzy as a person. She came to my birthday party last week and is always such a sweetheart to me and to everyone. However, I believe Izzy regretted losing Vinny but not hurting Vinny. True, heart-wrenching regret would have set in immediately upon seeing how hurt he was and should have knocked the wind out of her sails regarding Brett. Yet, she allowed Vinny to leave brokenhearted and chose to pursue Brett nonetheless. After Brett’s “I’m just not that into you,” Izzy felt regret to the extent that insecurity and loneliness began to creep in, and the first thing she sought—that any of us would seek—was security, the comfort in the comfortable. On the whole, this storyline was very compelling as a viewer; who hasn’t been (or at least come close to becoming) the Izzy in this scenario at some point in their lives?
And for the record, Andy LOVED how Vinny handled Izzy’s phone call. He called it “relationship 101 perfection.” Vinny’s response to Izzy’s apology might have been brusque, but it was also concise, simple, truthful and word-for-word what should have been said. It wasn’t apologetic (which it shouldn’t have been), nor was it laced with anger or resentment. No bullshit, no flowers.
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Now about Shushanna’s sudden exit. While it’s easy to say she knew what situation she was walking into, part of me loved how defiant she was. She was proud—too proud to be a latecomer on this show for sure—but I kind of dug it. Sure, you could argue she just wanted to leave before she got dumped, but I honestly don’t see the big problem with that. If she were super confident in what she and Wells had, it’s safe to say she’d have stuck it out. But I can appreciate not wanting to suffer through the rigmarole if you’re not confident there’s a pot of gold waiting at the end of that long, foggy, painfully drawn-out rainbow. I guess what I liked most was how unceremoniously she left—no acts of desperation or last-ditch efforts to stay on TV longer. (There were those tears at the end but they struck me more as tears from wanting the relentless ITMs to stop and less about “not finding love.”) She just wanted out and I respect that.
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Старый 09.09.2016, 08:05   #1056
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Speaking of staying on TV longer, Ashley I is the queen of it. I did not predict that Wells would give Ashley that rose and, particularly considering their breakup the very next day, the whole thing felt super produced to me. Grant’s comment to Wells after he’d given Ashley the rose said it all, “That was the best move you could have made.” It felt just like that, a “move.” A move on producers’ part most likely, but a move nonetheless.
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Старый 09.09.2016, 08:15   #1057
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It’s still tough to discuss Ashley without it morphing into a conversation about Ashley and Caila. I’ve seen many comments directed at me and other members of Bachelor Nation about picking sides or vilifying either woman. First, I can’t emphasize enough how delicate being on the other side of all this is. In person, Ashley is funny, smart, self-deprecating and knows full well the role she plays in this franchise. In person, Caila is as sweet as you’d expect, but also generous, perceptive, and an epic conversationalist. (I’ve had more real—not even close to “fake”—conversations with her than I’ve had with some friends I’ve known much longer. And on the topic of what exactly “fake” means, I highly recommend this Huffpost article on this very saga.) When you know these people personally—and have never had any issue with either—can you really be expected to point a finger based on how they appear on a heavily edited television show? Second, it amazes me how after this many years, no one points that finger towards the puppet masters in the wings. For example, I have a hard time believing Caila wasn’t in the slightest encouraged by a producer to pursue Jared in the first place. How coincidental that Ashley should arrive right after Caila’s date with Jared! Would Ashley speak so loosely and callously in her ITMs if the producer next to the camera didn’t feel like her close friend? Unlikely. I’m not saying producers are devils—there’s a reason we all still love them—nor am I deliberately not holding anyone accountable for their words and actions during filming. But remember, the environment is foreign and designed to have you rub each other the wrong way, talk shit about each other, and make you insecure. For these conversations to bleed from a television show into real life, long past filming, editing, airing… Those grudges are misguided and misdirected.
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Старый 09.09.2016, 22:10   #1058
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Sharleen Joynt on the Bachelor in Paradise Finale!

Remember the first season of Bachelor in Paradise, when Marcus proposed to Lacy and it seemed pretty out there? Beginning to end of filming is a total of four weeks—versus The Bachelor/ette’s nine (though I definitely think Paradise offers a lot more QT)—and a proposal seemed… I don’t know, really fast.
It’s funny how quickly we regard things as normal and how even the final women, you could tell, were hoping for and almost expecting proposals. Lace said: “For some reason I feel like if we’re not getting engaged, we’re not gonna make it.” I can’t think of a more nonsensical thing to say and can’t help but think the environment breeds that mindset. After all, at every turn we’re referenced to Jade and Tanner, Paradise’s one and only (literally, its one and only) golden couple, and how “that’s the dream.” (Thanks for the wisdom, Chris Harrison.)

Don’t get me wrong, Jade and Tanner are really adorable, but I’m inclined to think their success story is more exception than rule.
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Perhaps what grates me the most is the culture of “happily ever after.” There’s a notion that once you find someone to settle down with, you’re good. The story needn’t continue; it’s smooth sailing ahead, never mind that you’re about a quarter to a third the way through the average life expectancy. And don’t even think about what other accomplishments one could achieve; without a fiancé or a husband, are they really happy? If I sound like I have a chip on my shoulder, it’s because I do. I can’t begin to count how many times I’ve gotten comments on Instagram along the lines of a (surprised-sounding) “She found love!” Don’t get me wrong, that’s really sweet and I know those people are genuinely happy for me and that’s both bizarre and touching. But then I may post a photo of me in performance, or on the other side of the world, and I’ll lose followers.

Never mind that my career has been a near-lifelong labour of love, or that there may be something really interesting or beautiful to observe in another country. What people want to know is how Andy and I met and (the ever-popular) when are we getting married? (For the record, our date is set for a year from now but I’m realizing I’m terrible at planning. I have a very real inner struggle about whether I actually want a wedding or if society is telling me I want a wedding. Maybe I’ve just been watching too much Adam Ruins Everything.)
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Старый 09.09.2016, 23:03   #1061
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But enough about me and my “happily ever after” issues. I realize people follow me because I was on a dating show, and we’re here to discuss the finale of a spinoff of said dating show.

There’s no denying the three (!) engaged couples appear very happy and that’s a wonderful thing. Despite my issues with Lace seeming to equate an engagement with success, I think she and Grant are very well-matched. There’s a maturity to him that works with (and is clearly amused by) her unfiltered, almost juvenile persona. It’s been truly great television watching her come into her own and almost love herself through his eyes.
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I’m a bit on the fence about Amanda and Josh as a couple. The “family” photo shoot was certainly beautiful but I would have been more touched by some candid selfies of them with her daughters.
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Старый 09.09.2016, 23:37   #1063
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And while I believe they care about each other, to me there was a rigidity to Amanda on After Paradise. It may have been because of the relentless teasing Josh was being subjected to, I’m not sure, but she did not seem at ease. I do believe they care about each other, though, so I wish them all the best.
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I, along with most of America it seems, am completely enamoured by the Carly and Evan love story, not because he chased her while she wouldn’t give him the time of day, but because of their quirky compatibility. (As a weirdo who found a weirdo, I dig these two weirdos together.) I love how they look at each other with a sort of twinkle in their eyes; there’s such a sense of support and understanding and finding each other so delightful. I wholeheartedly believe in these two.

That’s a wrap, dear readers! For you Canucks, I’ll be recapping the first-ever season (it’s about time) of The Bachelorette Canada right here, starting a week today. Thank you guys for your ever-thoughtful, ever-respectful (and so well-written!) commentary and for following along all season with me!
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I was thoroughly entertained by his claims that a romantic 1-on-1 date and a Fantasy Suite would somehow suddenly put a relationship “to the test.” (As though there haven’t already been 1-on-1s and “boom boom room” visits aplenty.) How leaving Paradise together somehow automatically means “marriage, kids, the whole thing” is beyond me, but one should nonetheless “continue to talk, continue to have those discussions,” as there is nothing worse than a—duh duh duh!—EMPTY PROMISE. At the very least, it’s good to know Chris Harrison truly, deeply cares about these folks and their feelings…
ох и негативистка эта Шарлин
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Speaking of tears, Izzy had an interesting episode. I think we can all agree Izzy’s remorse over Vinny would be a hell of a lot more believable if it had happened on its own, as though the gravity of what she’d done finally set in or had she realized on her own that she truly missed him. But for her regret to occur directly following Brett’s (incredibly ineloquent) rejection wasn’t very convincing. Nor do I think it was true regret. I must preface that I really love Izzy as a person. She came to my birthday party last week and is always such a sweetheart to me and to everyone. However, I believe Izzy regretted losing Vinny but not hurting Vinny. True, heart-wrenching regret would have set in immediately upon seeing how hurt he was and should have knocked the wind out of her sails regarding Brett. Yet, she allowed Vinny to leave brokenhearted and chose to pursue Brett nonetheless. After Brett’s “I’m just not that into you,” Izzy felt regret to the extent that insecurity and loneliness began to creep in, and the first thing she sought—that any of us would seek—was security, the comfort in the comfortable. On the whole, this storyline was very compelling as a viewer; who hasn’t been (or at least come close to becoming) the Izzy in this scenario at some point in their lives?
And for the record, Andy LOVED how Vinny handled Izzy’s phone call. He called it “relationship 101 perfection.” Vinny’s response to Izzy’s apology might have been brusque, but it was also concise, simple, truthful and word-for-word what should have been said. It wasn’t apologetic (which it shouldn’t have been), nor was it laced with anger or resentment. No bullshit, no flowers.
Иззи сделала ошибку. И эта ошибка заключается не в том что она засомневалась в Винни, а в том что начала звонить ему (и вообще чрезмерно взвинчивать себя по этому поводу) после разрыва с Бреттом. Ни Бретт, ни Винни её не заслуживают. И ещё. Винни опять повёл себя как обиженный ребёнок.
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ох и негативистка эта Шарлин
Почему негативистка? :dntkw:
Она реалистка. Шоу снималось в этом году 18 дней, то есть те, кто "спарился" на нем с самого начала, знали друг друга 17 дней до обручения. Конечно, это автоматом не означает, что все пары поженятся. Вон Маркус и Лэйси были год вместе обрученные и "поженились" через год, а потом она не стала оформлять документы, кoда вернулась, то есть официально они так и не были женаты. Мечтать не вредно и было бы здорово, если бы все 3 пары поженились, но посмотрим что будет дальше...
Очень надеюсь, что хотя бы Эван и Карли поженятся! :wub:
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сейчас посмотрел разрыв Ника и Джен... терзают меня смутные сомненья. Его слёзы, стыд, нелогичность и некоторые его и её фразы (его "I am afraid I will regret it", "I feel like you deserve better than me", и её "it makes no sense", "I dont get it"). Ну не получается такой конец по логике событий. Всё намекает на то, что ему намекнули на возможность роли Холостяка, и ему нужно было отшить Джен здесь и сейчас. Увы.
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Если бы Джен вовремя включила образ СТПС (секс только после свадьбы), Ник слился бы раньше, а не после fantasy suite. Но тогда ему было бы намного сложнее выдавливать из себя слёзы и сопли. Хотя, насчёт соплей я не так уверен... ))
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ничего он не выдавливал
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